Racism?? and shit???

[AssMaster]

Ok. Well here it is. This is my stance on racism. Being black,chineese,jewish, or any other fuck race is not a crime. But it is not a fucking crutch. I am probably gonna flamed for this, but I care not. I do not owe anyone anything. I have never oppressed anyone. The fucking people that are screaming that they have been oppressed their whole lives are starting to piss me off. I have never had a slave, I have never hung or lynched anyone. I have not done a damn thing to hurt anyone, no matter how bad I wanted too. I am tired of people wanting special treatment do to their race. I hate people who run around calling themselves 'Nigger this' or 'Nigger that', but raise a holey fucking hell if anyone else says the N-word. The way I see it, if it is such an offensive word they should not be saying it either. Fuck shit. I get so pissed. I mean if your black,be proud. Say loud, I am Black and I am Proud!!! If you really are not ashamed of being black, then 'Nigger' is just another word to you. I guess I am a racist, but personally I aint got nothing against anyone who does not think the world owes them a favor. Good friend of mine just got fired today for letting the N-word slip. Well the one black guy we got(the one who goes around calling himself a Nigger) overheard and raised a stink and got my friend fired. How fucking retarded is that? I will tell you, super fucking retarded. What the hell? It is just a fucking word. If it is so offensive, the dumb SOB should not be running around calling himself a 'Nigger'. Well I hope I did not piss anyone off to much.

AssMaster.

[AssMaster²]

I AM BLACK AND I AM PROUD.

I, personally, get offended to hear anyone say that.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
I AM BLACK AND I AM PROUD.

I, personally, get offended to hear anyone say that.
But you do not go around calling yourself that do you?

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
I AM BLACK AND I AM PROUD.

I, personally, get offended to hear anyone say that.
Plus I hope I did not piss you off. You are cool as shit. :)

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by AssMaster
But you do not go around calling yourself that do you? No, I wouldn't call myself that. I think it's kind of funny when black people call other black people that, because just a few decades ago our parents fought so people would NOT say that anymore. Lame.


Plus I hope I did not piss you off. You are cool as shit. :)Nah, ya didn't piss me off. :P

[hondata]

i dont go all up in cahoots when somebody calls me cracker or honkey.

That is rather stupid about the whole firing thing. Hell, the guys at work practically made my middle name cracker, but I didn't go off getting the entire place fired.
[/hick]

[Nyeh]

"thats our word"

"last i checked it was our word for you"

[AssMaster²]

I've been called a honkey before. :(

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by !@#$%
i dont go all up in cahoots when somebody calls me cracker or honkey.

That is rather stupid about the whole firing thing. Hell, the guys at work practically made my middle name cracker, but I didn't go off getting the entire place fired.
[/hick]
That is awsome. Back in the Day when i worked with Keith at HAC. I was Kracker Kyle and he was Kracker Brown. Good times. We went so far as to making hats that said Kracker on it. It was awsome. I am such a loser and shit.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
I've been called a honkey before. :(
Can I call you honkey and you call be black bastard? That would be good times.

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by AssMaster
Can I call you honkey and you call be black bastard? That would be good times.Okay, Black Bastard.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
Okay, Black Bastard.
You are one awsome honkey :).

[hondata]

richelle is a honkey on the inside.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by !@#$%
richelle is a honkey on the inside.

And I am a black bastard from the waist down. (get it, big dick joke)

[Kevin]

this thread sucks

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Kevin
this thread sucks
You suck, go home.

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by BlackBastard
You are one awsome honkey :).I'm the darkest honkey ever.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by AssMaster
You suck, go home.:(.

[flychick]

Everyone should be treated equally. So, why should anyone get special treatment. That bothers me too.

[Iggy]

Assmaster you most of the time piss me off. But this time I am 100% behind you man. Have you ever heard the saying that if a black man drives a car and hits a white man it is an accident; but if the white man is driving a car and hits a black man it is called a hate crime. I am only racist against ignorant people. But let me point out this crucial fact. There is a difference between a black person and a nigger.

I know most people on here would agree that Richelle (smellyshelly) is one of the coolest black girls I know. She in no way is a nigger. We love you Richelle!

Back to the point. If that guy that took offense of the use of the n word then maybe he is in fact a nigger. It shows that he lacks respect, knowledge, and proper behavioral skills that would disassociate himself from being a nigger.

Sorry about your friend, but where God closes a door, he opens a window.

[hondata]

Originally posted by Iggy
Assmaster you most of the time piss me off. But this time I am 100% behind you man. Have you ever heard the saying that if a black man drives a car and hits a white man it is an accident; but if the white man is driving a car and hits a black man it is called a hate crime. I am only racist against ignorant people. But let me point out this crucial fact. There is a difference between a black person and a nigger.

I know most people on here would agree that Richelle (smellyshelly) is one of the coolest black girls I know. She in no way is a nigger. We love you Richelle!

Back to the point. If that guy that took offense of the use of the n word then maybe he is in fact a nigger. It shows that he lacks respect, knowledge, and proper behavioral skills that would disassociate himself from being a nigger.

Sorry about your friend, but where God closes a door, he opens a window.

ya, i can tell white trash when i see it too. makes sense.

[AssMaster²]

Thanks, Iggy!

I wouldn't be offended if I overheard it in someone else's conversatoin, because that really isn't any of my business. However, if someone called me that to my face, I would be pretty darn offended. I don't think I'd be offended enough to to tattle, though.

[Iggy]

Originally posted by flychick03
Everyone should be treated equally. So, why should anyone get special treatment. That bothers me too.

You bring up an interesting point. Affirmative Action. The person who invented that shit is a fucking retard. 'I got an idear! Let's let the minority racial groups have special priviledges that way we can make things balanced."

What a fucking retard. Think about it. It is a catch 22. When you help a minority out what do you create? Another fucking minority. I was taught about affirmative action from the most racist proffessor in Eastfield. AND HE WAS BLACK.

He would go on everyday about how 'it's bad enough that I can't even drive in my neighborhood that is predominatly white without getting pulled over.'

That right there pissed me off. I stood up and told him this, "How about this. It is bad enough that I can't go 300 ft in Eastfield parking lot without getting pulled over. I may drive a black truck that is loud, but does that mean I am up to something bad?" I grabbed my bag and left his class. I felt pretty good about standing up to him like that.

What I have learned is that life is not fair. If Alex get's a vette from his parent's do I get one from mine? No. Life is making the best of what you have and appreciating what you had.

I am done now.

[hondata]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
Thanks, Iggy!

I wouldn't be offended if I overheard it in someone else's conversatoin, because that really isn't any of my business. However, if someone called me that to my face, I would be pretty darn offended. I don't think I'd be offended enough to to tattle, though.

*watches smellyshelly's avatar

[hondata]

Originally posted by Iggy
If Alex get's a vette from his parent's do I get one from mine? No. Life is making the best of what you have and appreciating what you had.

only if it's this one.
http://www.washingtondcmetroweb.com/Images/Automobiles/z06_bg.jpg
http://www.usd224.k12.ks.us/2006/rescor/rrr-67.jpg

But i dont have a vette. I do make the most out of my si though, so i agree with you there too.

[AssMaster²]

When I was applying for colleges, in the little dialogue box where it asks for race, I would scratch out all the options and put, "American."

I think AA was useful years ago, like when my parents were going to school, but I think it's a little silly now.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Iggy
Assmaster you most of the time piss me off. But this time I am 100% behind you man. Have you ever heard the saying that if a black man drives a car and hits a white man it is an accident; but if the white man is driving a car and hits a black man it is called a hate crime. I am only racist against ignorant people. But let me point out this crucial fact. There is a difference between a black person and a nigger.

I know most people on here would agree that Richelle (smellyshelly) is one of the coolest black girls I know. She in no way is a nigger. We love you Richelle!

Back to the point. If that guy that took offense of the use of the n word then maybe he is in fact a nigger. It shows that he lacks respect, knowledge, and proper behavioral skills that would disassociate himself from being a nigger.

Sorry about your friend, but where God closes a door, he opens a window.

Glad to know you are behind me. I sorry that most of the stuff I say pisses you off. It is not my intention. I am pretty blunt person and don't like to sugar coat things. I think I got off on the wrong foot with a lot of people with I am AssMaster ruler of all Ass. I was just joking around and was not planning on continuing posting here. It was all in good fun and I enjoyed it and I do not regret , but in hindsight I might have introudeced myself in a different fashion. I agree with what you say about affirmative action though. Same kind of shit happens in the Fire Dept(so I hear, I am not a fireman). They lower the standards for women so that they can pass the test to become firefighters. That is just assinine to me. If someones life is on the line the best qualified for the job shoud get to do it. If my ass was burning in a fire, I want a man who can carry me out on his shoulders, not some chick that drags me out by my feet. But by all means if a woman can tote my ass, she has every right to that job. Plus when canidates get passed up by a person that is less qualified than themselves, just because that person is black and helps them meet their quota. People are so scared of racial lawsuits these days it is rediculus. If man owns a business and he does not want to hire blacks, that should be his perogative. Same with black, if they do not want any crackers, that their choice. I could go on on. But I will stop. Back to the joking aroound for me.

[Michael Fornal]

Originally posted by Iggy
You bring up an interesting point. Affirmative Action. The person who invented that shit is a fucking retard. 'I got an idear! Let's let the minority racial groups have special priviledges that way we can make things balanced."

What a fucking retard. Think about it. It is a catch 22. When you help a minority out what do you create? Another fucking minority. I was taught about affirmative action from the most racist proffessor in Eastfield. AND HE WAS BLACK.

He would go on everyday about how 'it's bad enough that I can't even drive in my neighborhood that is predominatly white without getting pulled over.'

That right there pissed me off. I stood up and told him this, "How about this. It is bad enough that I can't go 300 ft in Eastfield parking lot without getting pulled over. I may drive a black truck that is loud, but does that mean I am up to something bad?" I grabbed my bag and left his class. I felt pretty good about standing up to him like that.

What I have learned is that life is not fair. If Alex get's a vette from his parent's do I get one from mine? No. Life is making the best of what you have and appreciating what you had.

I am done now.
Mm.. the truck to race analogy is a no go. Your loud truck could be violating city noise ordinances or be checked to see if it is illegal. Pulling over someone because they are black is racial profiling. So that argument is just silly.

And if you think affirmative action isn't important in the workplace, you must not have worked many places or been exposed to people in management positions who are racist as hell. I've seen it enough to know it's still a necessity, whether people want to pretend race isn't an issue 'nowadays or not.

I really hate that argument not all black people are N's, etc. That's so stupid. If you're generalizing a group of people and calling them that, you're being a racist douche. Now, if you define that word as something specific, then as you meet someone on a personal basis and get to know them, then decide they fit those perameters and call them that, then it wouldn't be racist. But we all know you don't do that. You assume if someone looks a certain way or walks a certain way that you see for five seconds they are that word. Which is wrong.

On the other hand, I think affirmative action in continued education is ridiculous. Applicants aren't seen in person with the application, there should be no mention of anything relating to race. It doesn't even matter. You should be judged specifically on your academic skizillz.

And stuff.


when canidates get passed up by a person that is less qualified than themselves, just because that person is black and helps them meet their quota
That's not affirmative action.

[Nyeh]

nigger lover

[Nyeh]

buttsex*

[Nyeh]

nigger- v. - to have buttsex

[sleepybloom]

Originally posted by !@#$%
richelle is a honkey on the inside.

No, Richelle is a honkey all over, inside and outside :P

[AssMaster²]

I'm pretty sure I'm NOT a honkey on the outside. '_'

[sleepybloom]

Yeah you are....

[thealmightytama]

Originally posted by sleepybloom
Yeah you are....
*looks at smellyshelly* umm...i'm pretty she has dark brown skin >.> she can't be a honkey on the outside! *laughs*

[sleepybloom]

Originally posted by thealmightytama
*looks at smellyshelly* umm...i'm pretty she has dark brown skin >.> she can't be a honkey on the outside! *laughs*

Don't mean to be mean, but it was a fucking joke ok, I know she isn't honkey on the outside...

[Jonathan_again]

Originally posted by Iggy
I was taught about affirmative action from the most racist proffessor in Eastfield. AND HE WAS BLACK.

He would go on everyday about how 'it's bad enough that I can't even drive in my neighborhood that is predominatly white without getting pulled over.'




You're talking about Professor Newman, correct?

He's not racist at all..if you had stayed through his other classes you'd hear him make fun of black people just as much as he did white people.

He is pretty jive though...when he starts breaking it down and he gets all excited his roots come out.

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
Mm.. the truck to race analogy is a no go. Your loud truck could be violating city noise ordinances or be checked to see if it is illegal. Pulling over someone because they are black is racial profiling. So that argument is just silly.

And if you think affirmative action isn't important in the workplace, you must not have worked many places or been exposed to people in management positions who are racist as hell. I've seen it enough to know it's still a necessity, whether people want to pretend race isn't an issue 'nowadays or not.

I really hate that argument not all black people are N's, etc. That's so stupid. If you're generalizing a group of people and calling them that, you're being a racist douche. Now, if you define that word as something specific, then as you meet someone on a personal basis and get to know them, then decide they fit those perameters and call them that, then it wouldn't be racist. But we all know you don't do that. You assume if someone looks a certain way or walks a certain way that you see for five seconds they are that word. Which is wrong.

On the other hand, I think affirmative action in continued education is ridiculous. Applicants aren't seen in person with the application, there should be no mention of anything relating to race. It doesn't even matter. You should be judged specifically on your academic skizillz.

And stuff.


That's not affirmative action.I've never experienced racism in the work place, so it's hard for me to say if it goes on or not. I know it DOES go on, but I've never seen it personally. I've never actually experienced any direct racism, because I don't think people would actually call me that to my face.

I'm pretty sure I'm classified as a n***** to a bunch of people who don't know me, so it is silly to say not all black people are n*****s. Black people are black. White people are white. I call people honkeys and crackers and so on as a joke, and I should quit that if I expect the same respect in return.

[AssMaster]

Basically I started this whole thread because my buddy got fired. I guess my main point is that N*****(racial slang for african america) is just a fucking word. As in all words I beleive it only carrys as strong of a meaning as the person using it wants. Words don't mean shit, it is the feeling behind the words. Like my budy can call be a stupid fucking cunt, and I will laugh it off. Or he can call me a STUPID FUCKING CUNT and punch me in the face, ant then I will be mad. The words were the same each time, but I only found them offensive the 2nd time cause I felt the hate behind them.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
That's not affirmative action.
I guess I do not know what affirmative action really is. Thanks for make me feel stupid, Mike. God I am such a dumb black bastard.

But I think there is a difference between a nigger and a black person. Mike I know you have talked about white trash. So are you saying that all white people are just white people. No, bullshit. Maybe if the word nigger is so offensive, we should start using words like black trash. So we can have white trash and black trash. That is assinine. There are people that are better than other people, period, all race aside. You have trash and not trash. End of story. What does it matter what you call the trash?

[Michael Fornal]

I agree with what you said about words. It's not the words themselves that are bad, it's the intent behind the people that use them that makes it so bad.

I don't ever, and never will, look at someone and judge them as some silly stereotype before I even know them. I may go "that stupid cool looking mother fucker. God, I hate him. I wish I was like him." but I think that's a bit different. I'm saying, if you're going to call someone white trash, a redneck, a nigger, a wetback, or any other thing like that, it should be because you have a definition for that word and you know that person, and everything they do fits that category. It shouldn't be because Joe Smoe is walking down the street and 'being black.' or that some spanish dude doesn't know english. Unless, of course, your entire definition of spic is a mexican not knowing english.

hope that made sense. if it didnt, we can just fuck later.

[Keith Brown]

I am not a racist person by any means. I hate almost everybody that is different than me, regardless of their color...if they dont share my general values and opinions then I pretty much have no need for them.


However, I dont agree with the way that black people handle racism any more than I agree with the way that white people handle it. There are alot of white people that are just racist, period. But there are also quite a few black people that look at a white person and instantly treat them differently, instantly make it known that they have this gigantic chip on their shoulder, instantly make it known that they are black and proud and you are white and trying to hold them down....and we all know that is not always the case. Racism goes both ways, I like how most people tend to forget that black people are people too. They love, they hate, they have opinions, they are racist (gasp!! Yes, its true...black people are racist too).

White people are racist. Black people are racist. Asians are racist. Everybody is racist, not EVERY person...but every race has their racists and their (for lack of a better word) nonracists. People love to forget that black people are just as races, in many cases, as white people are. Its just alot easier for a black person to be racist nowadays cause they can cloud it over by calling it 'fighting the oppresion' or something of the like.


...racism is gay. I hate everybody that I dont like equally....

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
hope that made sense. if it didnt, we can just fuck later.
That makes sense, but can we fuck later anyway?

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Keith Brown
I am not a racist person by any means. I hate almost everybody that is different than me, regardless of their color...if they dont share my general values and opinions then I pretty much have no need for them.


However, I dont agree with the way that black people handle racism any more than I agree with the way that white people handle it. There are alot of white people that are just racist, period. But there are also quite a few black people that look at a white person and instantly treat them differently, instantly make it known that they have this gigantic chip on their shoulder, instantly make it known that they are black and proud and you are white and trying to hold them down....and we all know that is not always the case. Racism goes both ways, I like how most people tend to forget that black people are people too. They love, they hate, they have opinions, they are racist (gasp!! Yes, its true...black people are racist too).

White people are racist. Black people are racist. Asians are racist. Everybody is racist, not EVERY person...but every race has their racists and their (for lack of a better word) nonracists. People love to forget that black people are just as races, in many cases, as white people are. Its just alot easier for a black person to be racist nowadays cause they can cloud it over by calling it 'fighting the oppresion' or something of the like.


...racism is gay. I hate everybody that I dont like equally....
I think you hit that nail on the head. I loivke you so much...!

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by BlackBastard
Basically I started this whole thread because my buddy got fired. I guess my main point is that N*****(racial slang for african america) is just a fucking word. As in all words I beleive it only carrys as strong of a meaning as the person using it wants. Words don't mean shit, it is the feeling behind the words. Like my budy can call be a stupid fucking cunt, and I will laugh it off. Or he can call me a STUPID FUCKING CUNT and punch me in the face, ant then I will be mad. The words were the same each time, but I only found them offensive the 2nd time cause I felt the hate behind them.A word is just a word, but I'm really weird with words. :( Just ask Mike, there's certian phrases I won't say and I generally won't swear unless I'm really mad. I just feel uncomfortable when I hear/say some words.

[Meesheltx]

so...first you said that you don't like it when black people can say nigger to eachother and then they don't like it when white people call them nigger. Well, paraphrasing all thats been said...a word is just a word..the meaning behind it is what matters. So when a white person calls a black person a nigger, they usually mean it in an extremely derrogatory manner..when a black person says it, they're usually just playing around.
So my point is...its still okay for black people to use the word nigger when talking to black people and its still not okay for white people to do that.

Oh yeah,and i think racism in the work place is more of an issue now than it has been in a while...its a huge issue! Only, its islamic/idian/afganistan -looking people that are catching all the crap.

wow..i kinda miss talking on these boards!

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by Meesheltx
so...first you said that you don't like it when black people can say nigger to eachother and then they don't like it when white people call them nigger. Well, paraphrasing all thats been said...a word is just a word..the meaning behind it is what matters. So when a white person calls a black person a nigger, they usually mean it in an extremely derrogatory manner..when a black person says it, they're usually just playing around.
So my point is...its still okay for black people to use the word nigger when talking to black people and its still not okay for white people to do that.I would be really offended if ANYONE called me that, other black people included. I would probably be way more insulted if a white person said it as oppose a black person, though.

Words are words, but some words have stronger meaning behind them than others. I'd be really insulted if someone called me a bitch or a whore or something, too.

[Meesheltx]

you'd be offended even if you're friend called you bitch just playin around...for example "hey bitch! whats up! how are you?" ..even though they didn't mean bitch in a negative way?

[AssMaster²]

No, I wouldn't be offended if one of my friends called me that. We call eachother that all the time. I dunno why, but I'd still be offened if another black person called me that. I don't even feel comfortable saying that word. I feel really weird when I hear it, from anyone.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
No, I wouldn't be offended if one of my friends called me that. We call eachother that all the time. I dunno why, but I'd still be offened if another black person called me that. I don't even feel comfortable saying that word. I feel really weird when I hear it, from anyone.
Your a bitch.























Just kidding. I think you might be to nice :)

[Iggy]

Originally posted by Jonathan_again
You're talking about Professor Newman, correct?

He's not racist at all..if you had stayed through his other classes you'd hear him make fun of black people just as much as he did white people.

He is pretty jive though...when he starts breaking it down and he gets all excited his roots come out.

I took another class with him after that and he was less of an ass then. He had his cool moments but when he started talking about racial inequalities, I wanted to DIAF.

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by Iggy
I took another class with him after that and he was less of an ass then. He had his cool moments but when he started talking about racial inequalities, I wanted to DIAF.YOU wanted to die in a fire or you wanted HIM to die in a fire? Just wondering cuz I don't think dieing in a fire is something I would wish on myself.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
YOU wanted to die in a fire or you wanted HIM to die in a fire? Just wondering cuz I don't think dieing in a fire is something I would wish on myself.
I think he meant it would be better to die in a fire than to listen to that professor and shit.

[AssMaster²]

Oh wow. That sucks. I think I'd rather sit and listen to an opposing view for awhile than die in a fire.

[derekisdman]

You all should watch Do The Right Thing it's a great film about racism from all races

[AssMaster]

American History X is the best racist movie ever. Good moral.

[AssMaster²]

Those neo-nazis were mean. :( It's really hard for me to watch the "eat the curb," part.

[Michael Fornal]

Yeah, American History X is good, except the arguments for racism in it are like well thought out, and the jew guy had such a weak ass retort at the dinner table. I bet the movie made more people think towards the racist stuff than the anti-racism.

I totally wanted to curb stomp minority people after watching it.

[derekisdman]

I liked American History X a lot, but in terms of racial content, meaning, and impact; do the right thing is better :P

Oh and this is besides the point, but black people also get their own music channel and their own starz channel ;) if there was a white entertainment channel or white starz channel that would probably be considered racist.

[Kenny]

Originally posted by AssMaster
Ok. Well here it is. This is my stance on racism. Being black,chineese,jewish, or any other fuck race is not a crime. But it is not a fucking crutch. I am probably gonna flamed for this, but I care not. I do not owe anyone anything. I have never oppressed anyone. The fucking people that are screaming that they have been oppressed their whole lives are starting to piss me off. I have never had a slave, I have never hung or lynched anyone. I have not done a damn thing to hurt anyone, no matter how bad I wanted too. I am tired of people wanting special treatment do to their race. I hate people who run around calling themselves 'Nigger this' or 'Nigger that', but raise a holey fucking hell if anyone else says the N-word. The way I see it, if it is such an offensive word they should not be saying it either. Fuck shit. I get so pissed. I mean if your black,be proud. Say loud, I am Black and I am Proud!!! If you really are not ashamed of being black, then 'Nigger' is just another word to you. I guess I am a racist, but personally I aint got nothing against anyone who does not think the world owes them a favor. Good friend of mine just got fired today for letting the N-word slip. Well the one black guy we got(the one who goes around calling himself a Nigger) overheard and raised a stink and got my friend fired. How fucking retarded is that? I will tell you, super fucking retarded. What the hell? It is just a fucking word. If it is so offensive, the dumb SOB should not be running around calling himself a 'Nigger'. Well I hope I did not piss anyone off to much.

AssMaster.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Now it's certain you're from Kilgore. ;) I feel the same way you do man.

[Jonathan_again]

Originally posted by derekisdman
Oh and this is besides the point, but black people also get their own music channel and their own starz channel ;) if there was a white entertainment channel or white starz channel that would probably be considered racist.


Dude, don't you get it? Main stream media and entertainment is already white. They've got their BBC and ish because we've already got our 'white' channels [every other channel/outlet]. They're just trying to keep up and stay 'equal'. DUH.

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by Jonathan_again
Dude, don't you get it? Main stream media and entertainment is already white. They've got their BBC and ish because we've already got our 'white' channels [every other channel/outlet]. They're just trying to keep up and stay 'equal'. DUH.Even though I don't watch those channels, :agreed:.

[derekisdman]

So many lies

[Michael Fornal]

I guess you never watched TNN when it was TNN? If that isn't the white channel, I dunno what is. :)

[AssMaster²]

Same with NBC.

[derekisdman]

TNN is now spike tv and they have a bunch of races on there. I just turned on NBC and there were more black people than white on :P

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by derekisdman
TNN is now spike tv and they have a bunch of races on there. I just turned on NBC and there were more black people than white on :POn NBC?!? What show were you watching?

[derekisdman]

I was watching Maury. Now Montell is on, he's black and he's the host!

[Michael Fornal]

I was just joking, but yeah.. The Nasville Network was totally white.

[AssMaster²]

Montel comes on Fox here, and Maury comes on the WB. :-p
The only shows that I know of that come on NBC are Friends and Frasier and neither of them are running anymore.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
On NBC?!? What show were you watching?
NBC is owned by the black community. If there is no black people on the shows it is by the black people choice. I mean seriously people get a clue and shit.











































Wait. NBC does stand for Negro Broadcasting Channel...Right?

[KyleStyle]

Why does everyone alwys pick on African American on MMC? everytime there is a discussion about race the first people to come to mind is blacks. Now I don't justify anyone useing the "N" word. But it kind of makes me mad when I see people make post about how come black people can use that word and we can't. well NO ONE SHOULD USE IT first off. but women use the word bitch all the time to either call themselves or others, but if someone else called them that, there may be a problem. There are many double standards to life, sorry. everyone has to deal with them.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by KyleStyle
Why does everyone alwys pick on African American on MMC? everytime there is a discussion about race the first people to come to mind is blacks. Now I don't justify anyone useing the "N" word. But it kind of makes me mad when I see people make post about how come black people can use that word and we can't. well NO ONE SHOULD USE IT first off. but women use the word bitch all the time to either call themselves or others, but if someone else called them that, there may be a problem. There are many double standards to life, sorry. everyone has to deal with them.
Sounds like you a bitch to me. I think for the most part this has been a pretty grown up disscussion. Being Gay like you are, seems that you would have and open mind. Well with all your open mindness you need to understand that everyone is entitled to their own views on the subject of racism. Very few people have jumped on a band I hate all Niggers Band waggon. Personally I think Keith said it best. Something along the lines of Hating everyone that you do not like, regardless of race. Anyway. Nobody, at least in this thread(at least the people who took this thread seriou) was picking on the African Americas. So suck it big boy. Plus when we gonna go to lunch. I know I know no fish. How about we go to breakfast. That was way you can gobble down all the sausage you want.

[KyleStyle]

Originally posted by AssMaster
Sounds like you a bitch to me. I think for the most part this has been a pretty grown up disscussion. Being Gay like you are, seems that you would have and open mind. Well with all your open mindness you need to understand that everyone is entitled to their own views on the subject of racism. Very few people have jumped on a band I hate all Niggers Band waggon. Personally I think Keith said it best. Something along the lines of Hating everyone that you do not like, regardless of race. Anyway. Nobody, at least in this thread(at least the people who took this thread seriou) was picking on the African Americas. So suck it big boy. Plus when we gonna go to lunch. I know I know no fish. How about we go to breakfast. That was way you can gobble down all the sausage you want.
I dont think I was bitching, I was merely making a point about the examples that are on MMC. I'm not a bitch, but like you said I am entitled to my opinion. I didnt point out specific person in my post but merely said that I dont think anyone should use that word. I do have an open mind, I just dont agree with you. No biggie

HAHAHA sausage..greatness :rolleyes:

[sleepybloom]

See I don't mind being called a bitch, cause I usually do something to be called that, but if some one I didn't know just decided to call me a bitch for no reason, I probably would just shrug it off.....

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by sleepybloom
See I don't mind being called a bitch, cause I usually do something to be called that, but if some one I didn't know just decided to call me a bitch for no reason, I probably would just shrug it off.....
Bitch.

[flychick]

Western Civ. 2 at Eastfield was easy.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

The concept of race is racist. That sums up the entire thread in one sentence, and anybody who disagrees is wrong.

-JP

[eddwarddwooddwardd]

Right, first off the apparent double standards at Assmaster's friends workplace seem regrettable to me.

Next.
Given the comments already made about the importantance of the intent behind the speakers use of a phrase
&
given the comments made here about various people taking the thread 'seriously' or not
then,
is it ever 'funny'/appropriate to make racist 'jokes'/banter on a public forum?

Remember, the stuff typed here hangs around for anyone on the net to read & you may have no idea of what their mindset might be.

Moving on.

Given that you find others racism against you at least tiresome
&/or,
you find others exploitation of the sensitivities that that this issue raises objectionable
then,
what are you actually going to do when confronted with such behaviours?

Also,
How did the current situation come about?
What, if anything, are you going to do to improve it?
What actions/reactions of yours are going to make the situation worse?

Lastly, as so many of you are profess to be Christians,
what would Jesus do?

cheers
markp uk

p.s.
Originally posted by jp
The concept of race is racist. That sums up the entire thread in one sentence, and anybody who disagrees is wrong.
I agree with this.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by NatrlBornThrllr
The concept of race is racist. That sums up the entire thread in one sentence, and anybody who disagrees is wrong.

-JP


First of let me start by saying I have the upmost respect for you Mr. JP. I know we have not had a lot of contact in these forums, but I read a lot of your stuff. You seem like an extremely intelligent person. Sometimes your post are a little long winded for me and gummed up with unessasary complicated words and I do not read it in it's entirety. That is just your style, so that is cool. I have also read some post where you and johnson have got into it. I seriously think you owned him in those convos. And beleive me when I am say I am not gay, but I would probably have man sex with you. I respect you that much. So please do not jump on the AssMaster hating bandwagon when I say I think you are full of shit on this post. That does not some up this thread. There have been several good points brought up. You are being completley assinine if you think that race is racist. Sorry man that is retarded. Plus you are being even more assinine in you say anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. That was not a cool post. If you are gonna say something like that, I think you should back it up with reasons. And even if you back it up, you can not tell everyone they are wrong for thinking differently. Remember I still have the upmost respect for you

Sincerely,

The AssMaster

[eddwarddwooddwardd]

Originally posted by AssMaster
First of let me start by saying I have the upmost respect for you Mr. JP. I know we have not had a lot of contact in these forums, but I read a lot of your stuff. You seem like an extremely intelligent person. Sometimes your post are a little long winded for me and gummed up with unessasary complicated words and I do not read it in it's entirety. That is just your style, so that is cool. I have also read some post where you and johnson have got into it. I seriously think you owned him in those convos. And beleive me when I am say I am not gay, but I would probably have man sex with you. I respect you that much. So please do not jump on the AssMaster hating bandwagon when I say I think you are full of shit on this post. That does not some up this thread. There have been several good points brought up. You are being completley assinine if you think that race is racist. Sorry man that is retarded. Plus you are being even more assinine in you say anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. That was not a cool post. If you are gonna say something like that, I think you should back it up with reasons. And even if you back it up, you can not tell everyone they are wrong for thinking differently. Remember I still have the upmost respect for you

Sincerely,

The AssMaster


Right, I'm, obviously, not speaking for JP. but i agree with the view he expressed, so I'll give, briefly, why i think so.

People are people, each an individual. Those who define themselves by race, or those who seek to define others in that way, are denying that persons individuality & seeking to pre-judge people based on their race.

Typically, 'mixed race' persons are refered to as 'black', yet were the situation reversed & historically the economic & political power had been in the hands of the 'blacks' then these very same 'mixed-race' people would now be being refered to as 'white'.

I'm sure that JP has his own arguements & absolutely certain he could word them better. For what its worth, I GUESS that he choose to word his views in the way he did as he didnt want to discuss it, but merely wished to make his views known, Of course, I may be wrong.

You do not explain your reasons why you feel the view is incorrect.

cheers
markp UK

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by eddwarddwooddwardd
Right, I'm, obviously, not speaking for JP. but i agree with the view he expressed, so I'll give, briefly, why i think so.

People are people, each an individual. Those who define themselves by race, or those who seek to define others in that way, are denying that persons individuality & seeking to pre-judge people based on their race.

Typically, 'mixed race' persons are refered to as 'black', yet were the situation reversed & historically the economic & political power had been in the hands of the 'blacks' then these very same 'mixed-race' people would now be being refered to as 'white'.

I'm sure that JP has his own arguements & absolutely certain he could word them better. For what its worth, I GUESS that he choose to word his views in the way he did as he didnt want to discuss it, but merely wished to make his views known, Of course, I may be wrong.

You do not explain your reasons why you feel the view is incorrect.

cheers
markp UK
That was the first time you have ever written anything that I understand. Kudos. As for me not explaining my reasons for thinking he was incorrect, just go back and read the whole thread.

cheers
AssMaster

[sleepybloom]

Originally posted by AssMaster
Bitch.
Yes.. :P

[NatrlBornThrllr]

My post was brief because it was 3:00 in the morning, and closed-minded for two reasons: mainly because I was being facetious, but partially because I honestly don't see how anybody can argue against the concept that the idea of race is racist.

People are people. White people can be smart or stupid, cute or ugly, good drivers or bad drivers, fat or skinny, lazy or motivated, rich or poor, closed-minded or open-minded. So can black people, asian people, latinos, middle-easterners, native americans, and every other race that you can possibly think of. People are people. Their skin color has no more bearing on their personality than their hair color or their eye color. So I find it silly that we constantly feel the need to tag them with a label (even the label is not malicious in nature) based on their skin color.

We don't group people together under one label based on their eye color, do we? "So, I was sitting next to this blue-eyed guy in class today, and this green-eyed guy came up and asked us for our notes." That sounds a bit silly, doesn't it? "So, I was sitting next to this mexican guy in class today, and this black guy came up and asked us for our notes." That statement doesn't sound the least bit odd. Why? Because we constantly use race as a qualifier. People are people. Each person is individual in nature. Different personalities, different levels of motivation, commitment, friendliness, and anything else you can think of. So, the concept of race (unless it's being used for no reason other than to describe the person's physical attributes), the idea of taking away somebody's individuality based solely on their skin color is, in and of itself, a "racist" concept...whether it's malicious in nature or not.

-JP

[James]

That's really funny!

[NatrlBornThrllr]

So, the concept of race (unless it's being used for no reason other than to describe the person's physical attributes) [...] is racist

Also, I want to specify what I meant by the quoted part in parenthesis. I mean if you're, say, in a situation where labeling the person by their race just another of the many physical features you're describing. For example...say you're describing a potential date to a friend. You'd say "he's a black guy with short dark hair, he's not extremely muscular but he's not fat, he's kinda tall, etc." I don't mean when you're describing somebody by saying "holy cow I met the nicest black guy today."

Just wanted to clear that up...because thinking back on my post, that little bit could have come off as extremely contradictory. The concept of race is a legitimate tool to use when listing somebody's physical features. Otherwise, it's simply a way of stripping somebody of their individuality.

-JP

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by NatrlBornThrllr
My post was brief because it was 3:00 in the morning, and closed-minded for two reasons: mainly because I was being facetious, but partially because I honestly don't see how anybody can argue against the concept that the idea of race is racist.

People are people. White people can be smart or stupid, cute or ugly, good drivers or bad drivers, fat or skinny, lazy or motivated, rich or poor, closed-minded or open-minded. So can black people, asian people, latinos, middle-easterners, native americans, and every other race that you can possibly think of. People are people. Their skin color has no more bearing on their personality than their hair color or their eye color. So I find it silly that we constantly feel the need to tag them with a label (even the label is not malicious in nature) based on their skin color.

We don't group people together under one label based on their eye color, do we? "So, I was sitting next to this blue-eyed guy in class today, and this green-eyed guy came up and asked us for our notes." That sounds a bit silly, doesn't it? "So, I was sitting next to this mexican guy in class today, and this black guy came up and asked us for our notes." That statement doesn't sound the least bit odd. Why? Because we constantly use race as a qualifier. People are people. Each person is individual in nature. Different personalities, different levels of motivation, commitment, friendliness, and anything else you can think of. So, the concept of race (unless it's being used for no reason other than to describe the person's physical attributes), the idea of taking away somebody's individuality based solely on their skin color is, in and of itself, a "racist" concept...whether it's malicious in nature or not.

-JP

Ok. Lets roleplay.

1st scenario

Kyle(AssMaster) : Hey JP, I work with this Kick Ass Black Guy. He is a good friend of mine.
JP(NatrlBornThrllr) : Dude that is racist. You are a racist. You so just labeled him do to his skin color. You bastard. I hate you.


Ok 2nd scenario

JP(NatrlBornThrllr) : Hey Kyle, I work with this really cool woman. We get along great.
Kyle(AssMaster) : Dude you are so sexist. You are a sexist. You just labeled that person on the abcense of a male reproductive organ. You bastard. I hate you.



To me the first scenario is just as assinine as the second. Saying we can not differiantate(sp?) between people do their race is like saying we can not differentiate between people do to their sex. There are different sex's, that does not make me a sexist, just because I understand this. There are also different races, and I do not think it makes me a racist, too understand this concept.

Thanks Kyle,

P.S. Do you really think cripples should die?


EDIT: KEITH POINTED OUT IN AN AIM CONVERSATION THAT I USED "DO" IN SEVERAL PLACES INSTEAD OF DUE". I APOLIGIZE FOR THIS ERROR. BUT MY PRIDE DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO CORRECT THIS ERROR. LIVE WITH IT!

[flychick]

Originally posted by James
That's really funny!
ew barf

[James]

Originally posted by flychick03
ew barf

lol, that's my mom..

[NatrlBornThrllr]

Ok. Lets roleplay.

1st scenario

Kyle(AssMaster) : Hey JP, I work with this Kick Ass Black Guy. He is a good friend of mine.
JP(NatrlBornThrllr) : Dude that is racist. You are a racist. You so just labeled him do to his skin color. You bastard. I hate you.


Ok 2nd scenario

JP(NatrlBornThrllr) : Hey Kyle, I work with this really cool woman. We get along great.
Kyle(AssMaster) : Dude you are so sexist. You are a sexist. You just labeled that person on the abcense of a male reproductive organ. You bastard. I hate you.



To me the first scenario is just as assinine as the second. Saying we can not differiantate(sp?) between people do their race is like saying we can not differentiate between people do to their sex. There are different sex's, that does not make me a sexist, just because I understand this. There are also different races, and I do not think it makes me a racist, too understand this concept.

Thanks Kyle,

P.S. Do you really think cripples should die?


EDIT: KEITH POINTED OUT IN AN AIM CONVERSATION THAT I USED "DO" IN SEVERAL PLACES INSTEAD OF DUE". I APOLIGIZE FOR THIS ERROR. BUT MY PRIDE DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO CORRECT THIS ERROR. LIVE WITH IT!

On the surface, that's a great analogy. However, you're overlooking one gaping difference between the two scenarios. Every person we meet is labeled in conversation as either "a guy" or "a girl." Anytime you talk about a new acquaintance, you either say "I met this cool guy at work today" or "my wife introduced me to this girl she used to go to school with." It's everyday speech, and it's used universally in mentioning an unfamiliar acquaintance.

However, the same can't be said for the former of the two "conversations." You only feel the need to make that specification when you're referring to somebody of a different race. If, every time you mentioned a person, you went out of your way to specify their race...then maybe your analogy would have a leg to stand on. However, that's not the case. I doubt you ever say "I met the coolest white guy today" or, "At work today, we had a white guy come in and spend $3,000." You only use that qualifier when referring to somebody of a different race. Therefore, you're singling them out solely because of their race (by giving them a 'special notation' that you don't use universally in conversation).

So, what is racism? It's just that...singling somebody out solely because of their race. When you see a white guy, you just see a guy. He's "a guy I met." When you mention a white girl, you're just talking about a girl. She's "a nice girl." However, when that male or female is of a different race, they're no longer just a guy or a girl. They're a "black guy" or a "black girl."

So, answer this simple question: why do you feel the need to ever add a racial qualifier? What need is there to single out somebody of a different race by saying "this black guy sat by me on the bus today." You don't feel the need to single out people with green eyes every time they're brought up in conversation, do you? "This green-eyed guy got pissed at the cashier in Wal-Mart." You only do it when referring to race, and...more importantly, to somebody of a different race. This is racism. No, it's not in-your-face, burning-a-cross-on-somebody's-lawn racism...but it's racism nonetheless.

-JP

P.S. If your 'PS' was referring to my handicapped parking post...like I said in that thread, I was kidding with the "survival of the fittest" comment. I don't wish death upon any cripples.

...unless they're Jewish or female.

[derekisdman]

So in that case do you have different levels of racism that you rate for someone who says something like "there's this really cool black guy I work with" and then another guy like Johnson? Or do you just group them both as racists?

[NatrlBornThrllr]

Different levels, definitely. Same with any other emotion. I love tacos, but not as much as I love my family. I hate the Yankees, but not as much as I hate terrorists. I enjoy sports, but not as much as I enjoy masturba...er, I mean..you know, you get the point. Likewise, you have your people who think "all blacks are lazy criminals" and you have your cross-burning, negro-lynching white supremacists. Different levels.

Oh, and just to be clear, I wasn't intending to chastise anyone...and I certainly wasn't implying that people who cling to the concept of race are bad people (or at all comparable to Johnson, or the two examples of racism I gave the last paragraph). I was simply pointing out that the concept of race is, in and of itself, racist...that it strips a person of their individuality. I wholeheartedly believe in the notion that a person is a person. Sure, I notice a different skin tone in the same way that I notice a different hair color or a different eye color...but I use none of the three to label somebody (and certainly not to form a preconceived notion about them).

I think the best way to put it is that, to me, my initial impression is that John Doe is a person. To most others, it seems, the first impression is that John Doe a black person, or a hispanic person, or an asian person, or whatever. For the first time in a long time, I don't know how to convey my thoughts properly...but I think it comes down to the most fundamental first impression you get of somebody. I think everybody is uniform...when I meet somebody, they're starting from the same blank slate (minus gender, because humans are naturally inclined to respond differently to the gender[s] that they're attracted to). It is on this blank slate that features like eye color, hair color, skin color, and etc are built. Then comes personality, sense of humor, intelligence, and I build my secondary and lasting impression of a person with these things. With others, it seems, the slate isn't blank at the start. Instead, it's a person of a certain race...and the building of an impression grows from there.

Now, whether or not I just vocalized my ideals in a way that will make sense to anybody outside of myself...that's yet to be seen. I don't hold out much hope, though.

-JP

[Michael Fornal]

Very well said, Jason.

[AssMaster]

...unless they're Jewish or female.
First let me start by saying that was funny. I know you were just joking, but still funny. I think you are a super intelligent person, and I wish I could convey my point as well as you. I am not quite as articulate or as organized in my thoughts. But alas, I will try anyway. It seems that we are just gonna have to agree to disagree, though.


Every person we meet is labeled in conversation as either "a guy" or "a girl." But why is that ok? And to say that is ok but not to make it not ok to do it if you are basing it on race. You might be able to lie to yourself, but I can not deceive my eyes. If I see something I call it like I see it. I if I see a woman, I think hey there is a woman. If I see an arab, I think look there is a terrosist(ha ha joke). If I seen a black person, I think there is a black person. I do not think voicing my thoughts makes me a racist. When in conversation with someone, I like to describe the scene as close as I can to the way it happened to me. That involves describing the weather, the type of people that were present( race and sex included) . If that makes me a racist, well I guess the concept of racism is not such a bad thing. Just give me a cross to burn and a KKK hood. And when someone ask me if I am a raging rasist, I will tell them affirmative and that I notice when people are of different races and I describe them accordingly. I like you, and notice that in most of your arguements I beleive that you make valid points, but I think you are dead wrong on this issue. Thank you for making this forum more interesting to me though.


P.S. If your 'PS' was referring to my handicapped parking post...like I said in that thread, I was kidding with the "survival of the fittest" comment. I don't wish death upon any cripples.

That was exactly what I was refering to me. Kidding is great to a degree. But when someone post something very serious(such as their handicapped sister), I do not think "survival of the fittest" is a very nice thing to say. I think that was not near up to par with your usual post. Kidding or not. Thats like someone's grandmother dying and telling them thats sad cause she was a fine piece of ass.

-KW

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
Very well said, Jason.

Yes, very well said, but wrong none the less.

[Michael Fornal]

I can't really think of an angle to go with here to make a point, so I will say random stuff.

Technically, everyone is of the same race. If you believe biblically, you know everything came from Adam and Eve and branched out. So everyone has the same ancestors to a point and there is no real difference. Scientifically, it's basically the same way with mitochondrial Eve(She is the most recent common ancestor of all humans alive on Earth today with respect to matrilineal descent.).

And the fact you add in that skin color is simply due to adapting to being exposed to the sun. Obviously someone in Africa will have darker skin than someone in northern Canada. And you can't look at the current way things are now to refute that.. you have to look back before the massive migrationizationismitataionisms.

Race is a social issue, it's not real. JP hit the nail on the head in his argument.

The reason people think 'all black people look the same' or 'all asians look the same' or whatever is because of our tendancy to recognize patterns(faces). It has to do with the enviroment you grow up in - if you are around your culture (honkies)all the time growing up, you will notice the differences in that culture moreso than another culture (black,asian,etc).

Just as other animals (monkeys,cats,dolphins,dogs,etcetcetc) can tell the differences between themselves but they all look the same to us. Unless you are around them often, then you start to notice the difference between two of the same type of cat.

I firmly stand behind the fact racism is based soley on social upbringing and not knowing any better.

In a matter of fact, there's more genetic variety between different cultures in Africa than there is between 'white folk' here in america and any random african tribe.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
I can't really think of an angle to go with here to make a point, so I will say random stuff.

Technically, everyone is of the same race. If you believe biblically, you know everything came from Adam and Eve and branched out. So everyone has the same ancestors to a point and there is no real difference. Scientifically, it's basically the same way with mitochondrial Eve(She is the most recent common ancestor of all humans alive on Earth today with respect to matrilineal descent.).

And the fact you add in that skin color is simply due to adapting to being exposed to the sun. Obviously someone in Africa will have darker skin than someone in northern Canada. And you can't look at the current way things are now to refute that.. you have to look back before the massive migrationizationismitataionisms.

Race is a social issue, it's not real. JP hit the nail on the head in his argument.

The reason people think 'all black people look the same' or 'all asians look the same' or whatever is because of our tendancy to recognize patterns(faces). It has to do with the enviroment you grow up in - if you are around your culture (honkies)all the time growing up, you will notice the differences in that culture moreso than another culture (black,asian,etc).

Just as other animals (monkeys,cats,dolphins,dogs,etcetcetc) can tell the differences between themselves but they all look the same to us. Unless you are around them often, then you start to notice the difference between two of the same type of cat.

I firmly stand behind the fact racism is based soley on social upbringing and not knowing any better.

In a matter of fact, there's more genetic variety between different cultures in Africa than there is between 'white folk' here in america and any random african tribe.I think yours and JP'd arguments are assinine. To say we are all the same race is just assinine. We are not all the same race. You can not really beleive that. Mike, you do not even beleive in God, so do not use that Adam and Eve BS with me. And even if Race is based solely on environment, it is still there. Would it be better if when talking about a black guy, that I say a man who ancestorly came from a place where he was exposed to factors that caused him to have a darker skin pigment? That is stupid. I would just say a black guy. Nothing racist about that. He is black, not a crime. Suck it up people. Just because someone understands and can see that there is a physical diffenrence between something and is not afraid to voice the understanding of this does not make them racist. I know you want to be completley open minded and 100% equality and shit. But knowing there is a diffenence between a white person and a black person or a asian does not make you a racist. It is just a fact of life. Plain and simple. JP did not hit the nail on the head. Yall are just deluded and shit.

P.S. I love you mike. In a sexual way. And I understand you are not white. You are a person who skin pigment is lighter due to the fact that your ancestors lived in a cold place and were not exposed to sunlight and stuff.

P.P.S. Your ancestors whitness could also be a factor of camoflauge. Helped them hide from predators when they were in the snow.

[Michael Fornal]

deluded or delusioned and shit? Werd!

I used Adam and Eve to cator towards your beliefs since you would quickly dismiss anything about science I would mention if I hadn't. I was trying to show you that even with your beliefs, everything came from the first people.. so we're all from the same people. There is only one race - human. There's different cultures that develop slightly different traits, but it doesn't warrant prejudice.

In the most strictest sense, JP is exactly right. But due to our social upbringing, you think it sounds ridiculous because you've been exposed to classification by race and racism your entire life.

No one said there was no difference between a black person, a white person, or an asian. But the point is there is also a difference between a blue eyed person, a green eyed person, and a brown eyed person, but we don't prejudge those people, we only prejudge those with different skin color. Even though skin color and eye color are on exactly the same level.

[eddwarddwooddwardd]

Race is divisive, which I see as a bad thing.
Before attacking the tribe nextdoor/across the sea/over ther/etc it is required that they are percieved as 'different', as 'not like us', 'they arent really people' & so on & so forth.

Racism is probably 'natural'. (We could use some Magita here). But even so it does not mean its a good thing. Christanity specifically says that ALL peoples are brothers.

The sophistic argument is leading us nowhere, lets try & shift the focus.

KyleW
What, if anything, did your friend try to do to rectify his situation at work?
Did he try to reason with the guy he 'offended'? If so, to what reaction?
Did he find any such attempt problematic inside own head?
Was he able to officially appeal his dismissal?

Damn out of time
markp

[ColeyMoley84]

actually....the reason we say all blacks look alike...all asians look alike....yada yada is because they all from the same culture. White people are a mix of all types of cultures. Yes black people do look different from each other, but overall they're all black skinned, with dark eyes and dark hair. All mexicans are caramel colored with dark hair and dark eyes. All asians are yellow skinned with dark hair and dark eyes. When they do have different color hair or eyes its because they're a mix with something else. White people have brown hair...blonde hair...red hair....blue eyes...brown eyes...green eyes. There's no majority of white people with a set hair color or eye color. That's why we say other races all look alike.


Thank you.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
deluded or delusioned and shit? Werd!

I used Adam and Eve to cator towards your beliefs since you would quickly dismiss anything about science I would mention if I hadn't. I was trying to show you that even with your beliefs, everything came from the first people.. so we're all from the same people. There is only one race - human. There's different cultures that develop slightly different traits, but it doesn't warrant prejudice.

In the most strictest sense, JP is exactly right. But due to our social upbringing, you think it sounds ridiculous because you've been exposed to classification by race and racism your entire life.

No one said there was no difference between a black person, a white person, or an asian. But the point is there is also a difference between a blue eyed person, a green eyed person, and a brown eyed person, but we don't prejudge those people, we only prejudge those with different skin color. Even though skin color and eye color are on exactly the same level.

Don't get mad at me. Even if we all come from the same 2 people. We still developed into different races. Just like all fucking dogs come from one fucking dog. So am I a doggist too? Cause I say oh what a neat Cocker Spaniel? Should a say what a cute dog? Your gonna jump my ass for not pointing out eye color, I do not look into someones eyes. That intimidates me. But I do see there skin, and if it is different I notice. Sue me. We are all human, yet we still have a race. Race and humanity are not the same think. Just like dogs. Yalls arguments sound good cause you use big words, and sound so love everyone and everyone love me. Fuck that. Yall are being so liberal it is making me want to vomit. There is race. Deal with it. Recognizing there is race is not racism. It is common fucking sense.

P.S. I love you mike. I do not want you to hate me. But you know I will never give in.

[AssMaster²]

I thought what JP said was kinda silly. I don't think using black or white as descriptive terms is racist.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by eddwarddwooddwardd
Race is divisive, which I see as a bad thing.
Before attacking the tribe nextdoor/across the sea/over ther/etc it is required that they are percieved as 'different', as 'not like us', 'they arent really people' & so on & so forth.

Racism is probably 'natural'. (We could use some Magita here). But even so it does not mean its a good thing. Christanity specifically says that ALL peoples are brothers.

The sophistic argument is leading us nowhere, lets try & shift the focus.

KyleW
What, if anything, did your friend try to do to rectify his situation at work?
Did he try to reason with the guy he 'offended'? If so, to what reaction?
Did he find any such attempt problematic inside own head?
Was he able to officially appeal his dismissal?

Damn out of time
markp
I think we should attack england(yall are super different.

He just left. He did not care that much. It pissed me off. That is all.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
I thought what JP said was kinda silly. I don't think using black or white as descriptive terms is racist.
You are so fucking kick ass. I mean seriously. Kick ass. Like something that ..you...know...kicks ass.

You are one cool honkey.

Sincerely,

Black Bastard

[eddwarddwooddwardd]

When faced with racism, how does/could/'should' one respond?

Does the situation differ depending on whether the racism is aimed at you personally? Or at your race? Or at another race?

Is it ever appropriate to indulge in racial based banter in public? Doesnt such behaviour, (regardless of its 'jocular' nature/intent), have nothing but the possibility for doing harm?

Damn, out of time again.

cheers
markp UK

[Michael Fornal]

Originally posted by AssMaster
Don't get mad at me. Even if we all come from the same 2 people. We still developed into different races. Just like all fucking dogs come from one fucking dog. So am I a doggist too? Cause I say oh what a neat Cocker Spaniel? Should a say what a cute dog? Your gonna jump my ass for not pointing out eye color, I do not look into someones eyes. That intimidates me. But I do see there skin, and if it is different I notice. Sue me. We are all human, yet we still have a race. Race and humanity are not the same think. Just like dogs. Yalls arguments sound good cause you use big words, and sound so love everyone and everyone love me. Fuck that. Yall are being so liberal it is making me want to vomit. There is race. Deal with it. Recognizing there is race is not racism. It is common fucking sense.

P.S. I love you mike. I do not want you to hate me. But you know I will never give in.
I'm not mad...

I'm not saying you're a bad person if you say "i met a cool black dude today" instead of "i met a cool dude today." I don't agree that is evil. Your intentions are not bad at all in that comment. I'm not saying it's the right way to say it, but I don't think it's bad because your meaning behind it is completely innocent.

My point is the fact that the idea of race was created by man to classify people simply because of a skin color. And THAT is wrong. Judging people based on something as arbitrary as a skin color is not right, no matter which way you slice it. That's what I'm trying to point out. Race is just used to divide and classify.

And I'm not saying you're bad for noticing skin color when you look at someone. Show me where I even insinuated that. I'm only saying it's bad if you make a prejudgement on someone based on their skin color.

Race does not exist. Skin color differences and cultural differences exist. We don't classify people with different height, eyes, legs, or arms as different races. But we do with skin. When, in fact, skin is exactly the same differences as eyes, height, build type, etc. But why is it okay to classify people and judge people based on skin? You wouldn't find it acceptable to judge people based on any other inherited trait, so why is it okay on skin color?

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
I'm not mad...



Race does not exist. Skin color differences and cultural differences exist. We don't classify people with different height, eyes, legs, or arms as different races. But we do with skin. When, in fact, skin is exactly the same differences as eyes, height, build type, etc. But why is it okay to classify people and judge people based on skin? You wouldn't find it acceptable to judge people based on any other inherited trait, so why is it okay on skin color?
Ok I am sick of all this comparing skin to to eye color. I have not really known what was with wrong with that statement, but it was pissing me off. I figured it out though. It is different. Lets take a for instance. Ok. I am a brown haired white male with blue eyes, Keith is a Black haired white woman. Our children can have a variety of eye and hair colors. But they will be white. Me and Keith are now black people. We will have black children. You can not compare skin color to eye color. Sorry. Mike you are such a cool guy. Good times are always had when I am around you. You say some off the wall funny shit. But I have never understood why you strive to be so politically correct on one hand, but scream anarchy on the other.

[Michael Fornal]

Pff.. I so never scream anarchy. And I'm not being politically correct.

Skin and eye color are exactly the same for comparisons.

I'm just saying what race really is. I'm not even making any opinions - it's a fact that 'race' is a tool for classification and division. And it's a fact that skin color is no different than height, eye color, build, hair color, or any other physical attribute coming from your parents' DNA when describing someone.

So, I gotta ask again; how is it justified, when knowing full well that skin color is just a physical trait passed on through DNA just like so many other traits, to prejudge or classify someone based on skin color? Especially when you would not accept the prejudgement of someone based on other physical attributes.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
Pff.. I so never scream anarchy. And I'm not being politically correct.

Skin and eye color are exactly the same for comparisons.

I'm just saying what race really is. I'm not even making any opinions - it's a fact that 'race' is a tool for classification and division. And it's a fact that skin color is no different than height, eye color, build, hair color, or any other physical attribute coming from your parents' DNA when describing someone.

So, I gotta ask again; how is it justified, when knowing full well that skin color is just a physical trait passed on through DNA just like so many other traits, to prejudge or classify someone based on skin color? Especially when you would not accept the prejudgement of someone based on other physical attributes.

How do you not scream anarchy? Your sig is a guy burning the American flag. That pisses me off a little bit. No skin and eye color are not the same. Big diffenence. This whole argument is not about whether we make prejudgements do to one's skin color. The arguement is it wrong to say a black person is a black person. I am not judging a black man, by pointing out that he is a black man. It is a fact. I am not saying that he is not human, I am not telling him that he is less of a person due to his skin color. All I am doing is taking notice of the color of his skin. Everybody want to jump on the band wagon on how whites are so racist. I honestly beleive that there are as many or more racist blacks. It is just not as big a deal, because they are supposedly oppressed. But anyway. I do not think I am being racist in any form or fashion by calling a black person a black person. Or a honkey a honkey. It is completley retarded that it makes me a racist because in a conversation I say " I met a cool black dude." I was making no prejudgements about him. I was simply stating a fact. Even if we all sprung from one race. We ain't all the same race now. Stating facts is not racism, it is realism. Call me a realist.

[AssMaster²]

I don't think it's right to classify or judge people based on skin color, but I don't think that's what people are doing when they say things like, "I met a cool __(race)___ person today."

**edit**
I think if they meant it to classify or judge, they'd say something like, "He's cool for a __(race)__ guy."

[graeme]

well localy you can thank this demagogue


i hope he dies in a firery car crash

[graeme]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
I don't think it's right to classify or judge people based on skin color, but I don't think that's what people are doing when they say things like, "I met a cool __(race)___ person today."

**edit**
I think if they meant it to classify or judge, they'd say something like, "He's cool for a __(race)__ guy."


i think thats perfectly fine...

i mean... growing up in mesquite and going to mesquite high school has greatly skewed my perception on black people... and for the most part... the black people i do run into are exactly how i think of them to be...


so... the statement.... i met a cool black person today... is fine... it might not be PC but who gives a shit

[Michael Fornal]

Originally posted by kyle sexy bitch
How do you not scream anarchy? Your sig is a guy burning the American flag. That pisses me off a little bit. No skin and eye color are not the same. Big diffenence. This whole argument is not about whether we make prejudgements do to one's skin color. The arguement is it wrong to say a black person is a black person. I am not judging a black man, by pointing out that he is a black man. It is a fact. I am not saying that he is not human, I am not telling him that he is less of a person due to his skin color. All I am doing is taking notice of the color of his skin. Everybody want to jump on the band wagon on how whites are so racist. I honestly beleive that there are as many or more racist blacks. It is just not as big a deal, because they are supposedly oppressed. But anyway. I do not think I am being racist in any form or fashion by calling a black person a black person. Or a honkey a honkey. It is completley retarded that it makes me a racist because in a conversation I say " I met a cool black dude." I was making no prejudgements about him. I was simply stating a fact. Even if we all sprung from one race. We ain't all the same race now. Stating facts is not racism, it is realism. Call me a realist.My sig is a picture for a band. But yes, anarchy would be great. (and no, not the bastardized idea that it is chaos and all that. the real definition; everyone working together and no rulers. but anarchy is a utopian pipe dream, so it's futile to vocally wish for it.)

Annywwaayss.. I agree you are not being hateful when you say a black guy instead of just guy. However, when you only point out a skin color when it is different than yours, you are obviously looking at that person like they are different than you just because of a skin color, whether you are doing it as a conscious effort or not . You don't specify someone is white automatically, but you do for other races. And by looking at a person with a skin tone that differs from your own as being different from you, that is a slight form of racism, no matter how minute it is. (as you don't look at someone with a slightly different tan than you any different)

You can deny what I'm saying, but it's a fact. Sure, it's acceptable in society, but it's still a form of racism to a small degree.

I'm just debating the technical side of it. I really, personally, could care less if you said 'i met a cool black person.' or anything like that. Hell, I do it. Racism is big part of our culture. And no, it's not just white people - all people. It's taught from a young age to all people.

Plain and simple, and the last time I'll bother saying it, skin color is just a physical attribute. It has nothing to do with the character of the person. It is the same as eye color, height, hair color, and any other physical attribute you can think of. There is absolutely no differnce. It's a gene passed on from the parents'. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you(and not you specifcally, you as in anyone) ever make a comment that says 'black people are ___' or 'black people ___' you are being racist. Period. When you make a generalization on a race that has ANYTHING to do with personality/character/tendencies, you are being racist. It's a simple fact.

And I never claimed that you noticing people have different color skin is racist. Of course you notice people have different color skin. In the exact same way you notice someone is tall, or short, or has blue eyes, or a big nose.

[graeme]

i dont see the big deal with preference...

why do we focus our "racisim" debates on stupid dumbass words??

why dont we ever focus on the fact that there are entire communities that are entirely black... and what do they just HAPPEN to have the lowest education... or the highest birth rate... or the highest crime rate??


statistics show that black people and minorities in general .. because of their economic status are forced into situations to get in trouble.

why dont we ever focus on that... i think affirmative action is right in some cases... sure we can all say... we should be on a level playing ground... but who really is...

assmaster... you could have grown up in a middle class household making 150k a year... and laquisha grew up in a single household on welfare....

niether of you made that choice... it was given to you with out your involvement... now say... you two are both the same level of education... same everything... do you think you should be on the same playing ground when it comes to a scholarship?

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael wants to lick Kyle's Sexy bitch Balls.
My sig is a picture for a band. But yes, anarchy would be great. (and no, not the bastardized idea that it is chaos and all that. the real definition; everyone working together and no rulers. but anarchy is a utopian pipe dream, so it's futile to vocally wish for it.)

Annywwaayss.. I agree you are not being hateful when you say a black guy instead of just guy. However, when you only point out a skin color when it is different than yours, you are obviously looking at that person like they are different than you just because of a skin color, whether you are doing it as a conscious effort or not . You don't specify someone is white automatically, but you do for other races. And by looking at a person with a skin tone that differs from your own as being different from you, that is a slight form of racism, no matter how minute it is. (as you don't look at someone with a slightly different tan than you any different)

You can deny what I'm saying, but it's a fact. Sure, it's acceptable in society, but it's still a form of racism to a small degree.

I'm just debating the technical side of it. I really, personally, could care less if you said 'i met a cool black person.' or anything like that. Hell, I do it. Racism is big part of our culture. And no, it's not just white people - all people. It's taught from a young age to all people.

Plain and simple, and the last time I'll bother saying it, skin color is just a physical attribute. It has nothing to do with the character of the person. It is the same as eye color, height, hair color, and any other physical attribute you can think of. There is absolutely no differnce. It's a gene passed on from the parents'. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you(and not you specifcally, you as in anyone) ever make a comment that says 'black people are ___' or 'black people ___' you are being racist. Period. When you make a generalization on a race that has ANYTHING to do with personality/character/tendencies, you are being racist. It's a simple fact.

And I never claimed that you noticing people have different color skin is racist. Of course you notice people have different color skin. In the exact same way you notice someone is tall, or short, or has blue eyes, or a big nose.
I do not think that saying a black person is black is racist. In any shape for or fashion. You keep coming back with these long winded arguments saying that is just a physical attribute. So it fucking is. But I know no other way to describe someone other than their physical attributes. By saying " I met a cool black guy" I am describing his personality by saying "cool" and his physical apperarance by saying "black". I might go into further detail by saying tall, fat, and other stupid shit of that nature. Saying someone with a different skin color is the same as another is assinine(anyone notice I like that word?). They are different. The color of their skin is different. Just like a fat person is different than a skinny person, about a 100+ pouds difference. It is not that this just accepted in our culture, it is not racist. Period. It is retarded to call me slightly racist cause I might describe someone that is different than me with color. If they are like me, I do not have to to say "white guy" it is understood. That is not racist. Black people are different that white people. Even if it is just the tone of their skin. Deal with it. Differentiating between to things is not racism in any form or fashion. It is simply being real.

P.S. I hate that band.

[Michael Fornal]

Black people are different that white people. Even if it is just the tone of their skin.
Good. We agree. So any comments in general about black people that has to do with their personality/tendencies is ass backwards, since their skin tone is the only difference.

Since you've accepted this, hopefully you'll realize making generalized/stereotypical comments about a race is unfounded and wrong and you'll stop making comments like that. :)

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
Good. We agree. So any comments in general about black people that has to do with their personality/tendencies is ass backwards, since their skin tone is the only difference.

Since you've accepted this, hopefully you'll realize making generalized/stereotypical comments about a race is unfounded and wrong and you'll stop making comments like that. :)

I have yet to make a stereo typical comment in this thread. But I will not claim to have not made them. But I will stop making stereotypical comments about race, when people stop doing stereotypical things. How is that. Can we settle on that? And don't try to make me give up by confusing me with your wit and good looks. You sexy, sexy bitch. Next time we make love, I am gonna be rough with you. OH yes rough. I am gonna make you think twice for arguing with me.

[AssMaster²]

This


Originally posted by Michael Fornal
Annywwaayss.. I agree you are not being hateful when you say a black guy instead of just guy. However, when you only point out a skin color when it is different than yours, you are obviously looking at that person like they are different than you just because of a skin color, whether you are doing it as a conscious effort or not.

and this




Of course you notice people have different color skin. In the exact same way you notice someone is tall, or short, or has blue eyes, or a big nose.
are saying two entirely separate things, to me.

Are you saying that we shouldn't point out obvious physical attributes about someone, such as being tall or having blue eyes? Or are you saying that pointing out an obvious physical attribute like being black or white doesn't matter because it's the same thing as pointing out someone who's tall or has blue eyes?

[Michael Fornal]

I'm saying the second one.
I'm saying skin color has no more of an impact on a person than any other physical trait.

I don't think using it to describe someone is bad if you're describing physical attributes. But if you're describing personality or anything other than physical attributes, it's wrong.

[AssMaster²]

So what's the problem with saying, "I met a cool black dude, today?"

[Michael Fornal]

So what's the problem with saying, "I met a cool black dude, today?"

Well, if you did it for every race universally it wouldn't be, I guess. But he wouldn't go "I met a cool white dude today." As in it's a given that a dude is white.. but any other skin color somehow makes the person different enough that it's necessary to point out. Just as JP's example, you don't go "I met a cool blue eyed dude today." Because you view all eye colors as equal and unecessary to add in towards a person they said they met.

What makes skin tone so necessary to point out if it is different from your own if it is just a physical trait? If someone is of another height, it isn't a necessity to point it out when you first talk about meeting them.

Skin color is a non-issue made into an issue.

[oakcliffgirl]

I kinda agree with jp and Mike... I wouldn't exactly call someone racist for saying "I met this black guy today" It is just that that person notices skin color... and society has made ppl do that. I am not gonna say that I DON'T notice skin color... but I don't say... my best friend is black... I see you as Richelle... and Tammy as tammy... and kat as kat (vietnamese sister in law).... and Jonathan as jonathan (Mexican guy I know)... sure we make jokes that we aren't the stereotypical character of a (race) person that society has created... but I wouldn't call that racist... maybe more like a little shallow... just a little... Noun: racist - A person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.
You aren't doing that by saying there is a black person walking towards me.... you are just ackknowledging that person by the skin color... and everyone who is saying that no one says "that green eyed person over there..." is wrong... there is even a song called my brown eyed girl... he is just ackknowledging her by eye color.....
But I do agree with we are all one race... cuz we all do come from the same place. I don't like it when ppl try to use animals as example becasue animals are completely different from humans... we are not related to them in anyway... and our rules can not.. and do not work for animals.
I also agree that there are levels of racism.. but ackknowledging someone by skin color is not a level...
If two black people have a child... that kid WON'T have green eyes... or white skin... because that is not in the DNA of the parents... If the kids do then that means the trait was in the DNA... And if two white people have kids.. the kids won't be black... They will have different colored eyes depending on what it is in the parent's DNA.... so compairing skin and eye color can work...

[Keith Brown]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying 'black person', 'black guy', 'black dude' as long as there is no hate or assumptions attached to the comments. There are all sorts of groups of people.

There are black thugs, black trash, black scholars, black geeks.
There are also white thugs, white trash, white scholars, white geeks.
There are also short thugs, short trash, short scholars, short geeks.
There are also fat thugs, fat trash, fat scholars, fat geeks.

Saying 'white' or 'black' is no more racist than saying 'fat' or 'short' is. Its the meaning and harshness that sometimes accompanies the stating of ones skin color.


However, concerning how everybody keeps saying that white people and black people are the exact same...thats true and untrue. It has alot to do with the environment that the people grew up in, it also has alot to do with the culture that they were raised in.

All of the black people that I have known and/or befriended are sharply different than I am because of the culture that they were raised. The line between two people can be easily drawn by distinguishing the environment they grew up in and their home life/culture. Many times black people and white people dont share both of those, so they end up being at least slightly, if not drastically, different from eachother.

Same goes for japanese, indian, etc.

Being able to distinguish that people are diverse because of their culture and tendencies learned through generations of life in certain environments is not racist. The actual fact that you can look at a person who is black and say "I hate him/her cause she is black" is racist. "Looking at the same black person and saying I hate them cause they have on a 49ers shirt" is not racist....yet many people tend to 'accept' that the latter comment is also racist.

....dammit, that was the most jumbled post I've made in a long time. ..damn work making me have to stop inbetween half of this post.

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
Well, if you did it for every race universally it wouldn't be, I guess. But he wouldn't go "I met a cool white dude today." As in it's a given that a dude is white.. but any other skin color somehow makes the person different enough that it's necessary to point out. Just as JP's example, you don't go "I met a cool blue eyed dude today." Because you view all eye colors as equal and unecessary to add in towards a person they said they met.

What makes skin tone so necessary to point out if it is different from your own if it is just a physical trait? If someone is of another height, it isn't a necessity to point it out when you first talk about meeting them.

Skin color is a non-issue made into an issue.If someone told me they met a neat black person, I would get a better visual of what the person looks like than if they told me they met a neat brown eyed person. I don't think you'd tell people that you pet a pretty green eyed cat. You'd tell people you pet a pretty black, brown, or white cat. Giving skin color as oppose to eye color is just a better physical discription, IMO.

[AssMaster]

This will be my last post in this thread. I think we are just starting to repeat our selves to the point it is getting rediculus(sp?). I think that if I was to point out a persons eye color, nobody would have a problem with that. But if I point out a persons skin color, some people want to get in an uproar. I think that not pointing out a persons color is racist. Like they should be ashamed of it. Why not point out that someone is black? Is there something wrong with that? If it is ok to be "black" why would offend someone that I voice it? Simply assinine( <----I love that word).

So to Mike and JP, I think yall are super racist bastards. Yall should not be ashamed of black people or anyother race. You should rejoice in them. Rejoice with me brothers.




Wait. If the argument continues, so will I. Please disregard the first line of my post.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

Yes, Kyle, you're simply calling it like you see it. You're saying "that person has this color skin." I realize that. You've repeated this time and time again, and trust me when I say that Mike and I most certainly realize this. See, our point is that you only "call it like you see it" when referring to somebody of a different race. You don't "call it like you see it" when referring to somebody of a different height. You don't "call it like you see it" when referring to somebody of a different hair color, a different eye color, somebody of the same race, and so on and so forth. You only feel the need to do this (going out of your way to label somebody with a physical trait, or to "call it like you see it") when referring to people of a different race. You're singling out people because of their skin color. This is racist. It's not malicious or hateful, especially not in a society that accepts it without thinking twice. However, that doesn't make it any less racist. In using actions or words to single somebody out solely because of their skin color, your actions meet the principle guidelines of what we all agree to be "racism," and there is no denying that.

Here, let me put it like this; segregation of different races is racism, is it not? Well, that's exactly what the concept of race does. It splits society up into different little groups that are based solely on skin color. It's racist to have white schools and black schools. It's racist to have white water fountains and black water fountains. It's racist to have a white section on the bus, and a black section on the bus. However, it's not racist to have a white group of people, and a black group of people. We've done away with segregation, saying that there's no reason to divide our society because of skin color. However, we still cling to this division of society with the very concept of race.

-JP

[Michael Fornal]

I really can't keep going if you can't see what we're trying to say by now. It can't be any better said, so there's no more point in trying.

I guess I'll go back to sexing now.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

Good call. I've said my bit about as clearly as I know how. Unfortunately, it's making people defensive, "gasp I'm so not a racist" and they're failing to see the point that I'm trying to make (which is that this isn't a malicious thing, but it is a racist thing, because it's segregating society based on one, lone, stupid physical trait that has no bearing on somebody's personality, and as such, shouldn't have a bearing on their basic, most fundamental individuality).

-JP

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by NatrlBornThrllr
See, our point is that you only "call it like you see it" when referring to somebody of a different race. You don't "call it like you see it" when referring to somebody of a different height. You don't "call it like you see it" when referring to somebody of a different hair color, a different eye color, somebody of the same race, and so on and so forth. You only feel the need to do this (going out of your way to label somebody with a physical trait, or to "call it like you see it") when referring to people of a different race.
-JP

How the fuck do you know that I do not point out people by their height, or there eye color? If I see a tall person, I say look at the tall person. I am right about this. I know yall are not going to beleive. Most people seem to agree with me.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
I really can't keep going if you can't see what we're trying to say by now. It can't be any better said, so there's no more point in trying.

I guess I'll go back to sexing now.
Well Mike, You have gone and done it. Dont talk to me like I am fucking idiot. That is not cool. You and JP want to get on my ass for being to repetitive and saying I can not understand what you are saying. Basically every post yall have made has been to the same context, just re-worded. I perfectly understand your point. I just think it is assinine and wrong. Forgive me for continueing to try to reinterate my point. Just doing what I thought would make you understand where I was coming from. But please, for future reference, please do not assume I am ignorant of your point, just cause I do not agree with it.

Just call me a fucking rasist..whatever. I could give a shit.

[AssMaster²]

If that's the case, I'm racist. Not only am I racist, I discriminate against tall, fat, short, skinny, blondes, and every other discriptive terms that I use to describe people.

**edit**
The only thing that I'm getting from this thread is that adjectives are bad.

[Keith Brown]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
If that's the case, I'm racist. Not only am I racist, I discriminate against tall, fat, short, skinny, blondes, and every other discriptive terms that I use to describe people.

racist....

;)

At least you have opened your mind up enough to realize what Kyle is saying.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
If that's the case, I'm racist. Not only am I racist, I discriminate against tall, fat, short, skinny, blondes, and every other discriptive terms that I use to describe people.

**edit**
The only thing that I'm getting from this thread is that adjectives are bad.
The more she talks, the more I like her. Plus this thread has gotten over 1000 views, that is pretty impressive.

[Michael Fornal]

I said you aren't getting it, not because you're ignorant or can't grasp it, but because you are entirely missing the point we are trying to make. And, like you said, it's going in circles for no reason. I think you're sticking to the idea that we mean you're some sort of malicious racist for characterizing someone by their skin color, but that's not the point at all.

I'm just gonna like drop it and stuff - you win or whatever. ;)

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
I said you aren't getting it, not because you're ignorant or can't grasp it, but because you are entirely missing the point we are trying to make. And, like you said, it's going in circles for no reason. I think you're sticking to the idea that we mean you're some sort of malicious racist for characterizing someone by their skin color, but that's not the point at all.

I'm just gonna like drop it and stuff - you win or whatever. ;)
Whatever. Your post seem to be talking down to me, and by taking the high road and dropping it you further try to show your supiority of me. I am not missing the point. I get your point. I am just trying to tell you I think it is wrong and why I think it is wrong. I will jsut take a page out of your book. I will take the high road also.

I quit and whatever. You win. I will never point out a person by their physical characteristics again. That is racist. It is segreagting them in to a group. I hope I burn in Hell for all the racial hate that is welling up with in my body.

[Michael Fornal]

I wasn't talking down to you.

I am frusturated I can't seem to convey my thoughts in a way for you to see what I'm saying, and if it somehow is construed that I'm being condescending or anything like that, I appologize.

And I'm positive you don't get the angle I am going with or you wouldn't reply that pointing out physical characteristics is racist.

I'm 'taking the high road' because we're going back and forth and nothing is happening, so it's better just to end it now.

Annnd I don't think I'm superior to you (unless we're role playing)).

[hondata]

i was at popeyes getting some food about 30 mins ago.

i order a chicken strip meal.

im sitting eating, and a black guy walks in. She tells the cooks to give him all kinds of extra fucking food. she gave me the three smallest fucking pieces of chicken there.
she didnt even hand me my change. she layed it on the counter.

fucking bitch.

at least black people look out for other black people.

white people just don't fucking care either way.

[AssMaster]

Originally posted by Michael Fornal
I wasn't talking down to you.

I am frusturated I can't seem to convey my thoughts in a way for you to see what I'm saying, and if it somehow is construed that I'm being condescending or anything like that, I appologize.

And I'm positive you don't get the angle I am going with or you wouldn't reply that pointing out physical characteristics is racist.

I'm 'taking the high road' because we're going back and forth and nothing is happening, so it's better just to end it now.

Annnd I don't think I'm superior to you (unless we're role playing)).
I am sorry. Your absoultley right. I apoligize and will not let it happen again. I was dumb to argue with you in the first place. I have known you are right the whole time, it just took a while for my ignorant mind to catch up with my typing fingers.

[Michael Fornal]

It's okay, I understand...

[Keith Brown]

Originally posted by !@#$%
i was at popeyes getting some food about 30 mins ago.

i order a chicken strip meal.

im sitting eating, and a black guy walks in. She tells the cooks to give him all kinds of extra fucking food. she gave me the three smallest fucking pieces of chicken there.
she didnt even hand me my change. she layed it on the counter.

fucking bitch.

at least black people look out for other black people.

white people just don't fucking care either way.

Hahahah! I eat at Popeyes every day...that shit used to happen to me every single day. I would go in and order my meal, get two full chicken strips and one that is basically 1/3 the size of a normal one...about 11 fries and a drink.

Now there is a gay guy that works there...MASSIVELY flamboyantly gay guy...I think he likes me cause I get like 6 strips now. It rules. :)

[hondata]

Originally posted by Keith Brown
Hahahah! I eat at Popeyes every day...that shit used to happen to me every single day. I would go in and order my meal, get two full chicken strips and one that is basically 1/3 the size of a normal one...about 11 fries and a drink.

Now there is a gay guy that works there...MASSIVELY flamboyantly gay guy...I think he likes me cause I get like 6 strips now. It rules. :)

nice. you should flash him some skin like on starsky and hutch.

maybe you'll score some free cajun rice. :)

[Keith Brown]

Originally posted by !@#$%
nice. you should flash him some skin like on starsky and hutch.

maybe you'll score some free cajun rice. :)

Hahaha, I should.


I didnt even notice it at first...but he just started to slowly give me more and more food. Today I got a free biscuit. The freaky part is that he touches my hand when I give him my money. He does it nonchalant, but he does it intentionally none the less. I was bothered by it at first...then I thought about it and its not that bad, free food is free food.

[AssMaster²]

Fried chicken is ewie. :(

[Keith Brown]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
Fried chicken is ewie. :(


Are you seroius?!?!


OMG, seriously...you are like the whitey-est black person I know. Its like you arent black at all. You are like a really pale white person who went outside one day and gradually over time had your skin burnt by sun and it just stayed that way. So now you are the darkest white person ever! :)

[hondata]

Originally posted by Keith Brown
Hahaha, I should.


I didnt even notice it at first...but he just started to slowly give me more and more food. Today I got a free biscuit. The freaky part is that he touches my hand when I give him my money. He does it nonchalant, but he does it intentionally none the less. I was bothered by it at first...then I thought about it and its not that bad, free food is free food.

hahahhaaa,

next on channel 9

keith brown plays gay male's emotions for free food.

coming up- weather with micheal fornal.

i luv it.

[Michael Fornal]

Oh my Jesus. How'd you know I always wanted to be a meteorologist?! And one for channel 9 news, no less!

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by Keith Brown
Are you seroius?!?!


OMG, seriously...you are like the whitey-est black person I know. Its like you arent black at all. You are like a really pale white person who went outside one day and gradually over time had your skin burnt by sun and it just stayed that way. So now you are the darkest white person ever! :)Fried chicken is just gross. It's greasy and fatty and just... ew. The only way I'll eat fried chicken is if I take the skin off first.

[hondata]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
Fried chicken is just gross. It's greasy and fatty and just... ew. The only way I'll eat fried chicken is if I take the skin off first.

go eat at jason's deli with all the other white people. :)

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by !@#$%
go eat at jason's deli with all the other white people. :)What's sad is that they actually orderd that for everyone in the office for lunch today.

Whatever, Jasons Deli is way better than any fried chicken.

[hondata]

Originally posted by smellyshelly
What's sad is that they actually orderd that for everyone in the office for lunch today.

Whatever, Jasons Deli is way better than any fried chicken.

fuck jason and his deli.

[AssMaster²]

Originally posted by !@#$%
fuck jason and his deli.Well, fuck Popeye and his little chickens.

[AssMaster]

Update. The bastard that I started this thread about just got fired today. I am happy. This guy was such an idiot. I can not beleive it took them so long. He pissed me off on a daily basis. Woo Hoo.

[AssMaster²]

I just reread this thread. Looks like a I am agreeing with myself a lot in it. Not many people remember I used to be a black girl that dated Mike.