did you hear about the Camaro Concept

[Trent Steel]

http://channels.netscape.com/autos/package.jsp?name=autos/epcamaroewp&floc=au-main-01-l1

I think its too soon to bring back a car that was decomissioned just a few years ago. But GM needs a car that doesn't suck.

[P a t r i c k]

Wow that looks hideous.
They shouldnt copy the mustang :\

[Trent Steel]

http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/autos/detroit_challenger/frameset.exclude.html

The dodge challenger looks pretty sweet

[Aaron]

i like both

[!@#$%]

the ls7 doesn't suck...and the brakes to stop it doesn't suck.

nothing about the 06 z06 sucks.

best car under 80k. hands down.

[P a t r i c k]

Now the Challenger is pretty freakin sexy, but Ive never been a big fan of racing stripes.

[James]

If anything it's too late, not too early

Assuming the new camaro is an '09 model (that's what i've heard but i didnt read this article), that's gonna be too little too late

Just think, the retro Mustang will have been out for years by then, and will probably be due for an update/remodeling/etc, and GM will have classically but not surprisingly missed the boat once again

They need to fix the front of it.. maybe make it something reminiscent of the '70 Camaro ... now the 2009 GTO on the other hand, that looks meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[Trent Steel]

pictures of the Goat?

[brandon-n]

damn... dodge's design team has really been kicking them out recently. I am in love with the 300, the magnum, the charger, and now the challenger

[James]

pictures of the Goat?

I saw the pictures from Charlie

Although I've searched google a million times for them and cant find em, so I'll have to get him to post em

It pwns

[brandon-n]

I saw the pictures from Charlie

Although I've searched google a million times for them and cant find em, so I'll have to get him to post em

It pwns

http://www.carphotoalbums.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/521/password/sort/1/cat/Unspecified_:_Pontiac/page/1 ?

[P a t r i c k]

Actually that concept was proposed before the release of the new gto years back.

[Trent Steel]

thank god!

[brandon-n]

Actually that concept was proposed before the release of the new gto years back.

geez.. what a difference..

[Keith Brown]

Yeah, it looks great. I cant wait to see what they look like once they actually start to run production. It would have been nice if they could have had it out in 2007 like the rumours in 2002 had suggested but I guess 2008ish isnt so bad.

[flychick]

I found these about a year ago.................:1orglaugh

[flychick]

sexy beastessisss

[P a t r i c k]

Now thats a camaro that gets my stamp of approval.
However valid my stamp is, who knows.

[James]

brandon that's different than the ones I saw from Charlie..

that bish needs to post em

[flychick]

those were the concept cars from last year FOR 2007.....they may have changed since then.

[Jared]

http://www.evyl.org/stuff/camaro_1.jpg
http://www.evyl.org/stuff/camaro_4.jpg
http://www.evyl.org/stuff/camaro_3.jpg

[brandon-n]

that gold is the most ghetto bullshit ive ever seen.

[Trent Steel]

so is the red x

[Jonathan_again]

While I don't doubt that the new Goat and the new Camaro are going to be great cars (build quality, power) GM is giong to price themselves out of the market. LIKE ALWAYS.

A v8 camaro is going to be 7-10K more expensive than a comparably equipped Mustang....and with Dodge coming out with yet another muscle car that will certainly undercut GM's MSRP by a WHOLE BUNCH, GM is going to flop yet again.

By the time they finally realize this and drop the prices and do the rebate crap that they've been doing, nobody is going to care.

Although many are willing to pay this much more for a car...they aren't willing to pay this much more for a car with GM's build quality and history. Even if they step it up and make it on par with the foreign automakers, it's too early to charge a premium for them.

GM needs to put out nice cars for a good value. And then as the years go by and they build a quality reputation back, charge full value. Not right off the bat.

[Jason]

GM needs to put out nice cars for a good value. And then as the years go by and they build a quality reputation back, charge full value. Not right off the bat.
Not to butt heads, but is the Pontiac Solstice not a pretty nice car at a pretty decent value?

[nickbahh]

Blue Dragon FTW.

[P a t r i c k]

Blue Devil?

[Jenny]

Not to butt heads, but is the Pontiac Solstice not a pretty nice car at a pretty decent value?
yehhh we saw one of those on the road the other day. It was cute! Didn't get to see the interior though, obviously.

[brandon-n]

Not to butt heads, but is the Pontiac Solstice not a pretty nice car at a pretty decent value?

the soltice is overpriced for what it is. looks cool, yes. but its a cheap miata like car. no power, all plastic, etc.

[brandon-n]

i meant no power engine wise.. then i went to their site to "build one" and noticed theres a 625 buck charge for power windows/locks.

that shit should be standard.

[brandon-n]

air: $960
antilock brakes: $200
cd: 195

add in the normal basics and its REALLY not a good deal. miatas sell for way less

[P a t r i c k]

Miatas are bad bitches in my opinion, well with some love (aka money) they can be.

[Jonathan_again]

Not to butt heads, but is the Pontiac Solstice not a pretty nice car at a pretty decent value?

Brandon pretty much beat me to everything I have to say about the Solstice.

They are supposed to be coming out with a turbo/supercharged version...but I'm sure that thing will run 30K. Nobody will buy it for that much. Heck, you can get a nice used s2000 or 350z for much cheaper.

I can think of one example similar to the Solstice.

Look at the Chrysler Crossfire. BEAUTIFUL car, but it was slow as balls. By the time Chrysler finally released the (overpriced) SRT version, nobody really cared.

Good for them though that they have more performance cars on the roster than anybody else.

Anybody seen the SRT Cherokee? That thing is one bad dude.

[P a t r i c k]

Anybody seen the SRT Cherokee? That thing is one bad dude.
Amen brotha', Id let a SRT Cherokee rape me anyday.
And I dont mean in a race.

[Jason]

GM sucks. Their management is the main problem (In my opinion). I remember early summer last year, Waggoner (GM CEO) announced that he was going to spend some ungodly amount of money ($1-2 billion) redesigning their large trucks and SUVs. I think it was pretty shitty timing seeing as gas prices have started affecting the way the car consumer shops (Even Ford announced that they observed a slump in SUV sales due to high gas prices). When people started criticizing GM's decision to dump all this money in an arguably losing battle, the company announced the best discounts ever, the Employee Discount program. While their sales skyrocketed and they were able to lower their bulging inventories, they weren't making any profit. If the company wants to be successful in the future, they need to get their heads out of their asses and start making dependable, attractive, affordable vehicles. It's not entirely the management's fault, however. A lot of the problems the company is having are caused by the fact that the company is so generous. GM pays roughly $75/hr (about half in wages and half in benefits) for each employee on the production line. Toyota pays about $14/hr for each employee. Roughly $1500 of the costs of every new car produced by GM are employee benefits (healthcare, pension, etc.). At Toyota, that numer is around $180. I'm not saying that Toyota makes better cars, but I think GM could take some management advice from them Japs.

[nickbahh]

Miatas are bad bitches in my opinion, well with some love (aka money) they can be.

Miatas are gay. It is almost a staple of gay culture.

[Trent Steel]

bareback mountain cowboys drive those cars

[P a t r i c k]

Miatas are gay. It is almost a staple of gay culture.
Youd think differently after seeing a stage 2 drift endlessly around an almost 90 degree turn into a parking lot with ease.
RWD sport coupes are haaaaaaawt.

[nickbahh]

I have seen that, I was like "Woah look at the gay dude drive, If I were also gay I would be all over that."

[brandon-n]

Amen brotha', Id let a SRT Cherokee rape me anyday.
And I dont mean in a race.

id let any srt car rape me.

dodge has had their fucking game faces on lately. they have a nice line of cars now, and tons of badass options to go with those.

the srt magnums, 300s, and charger all make me want to bust one.

[James]

id let any srt car rape me.

dodge has had their fucking game faces on lately. they have a nice line of cars now, and tons of badass options to go with those.

the srt magnums, 300s, and charger all make me want to bust one.

Yeah but you can almost exclusively thank Daimler for the turn-around, and for darn sure the 300c

[P a t r i c k]

I have seen that, I was like "Woah look at the gay dude drive, If I were also gay I would be all over that."
Oh well, to each their own.
As for Daimler, they do got it goin on, im glad grandma chrysler took a backseat to engineering.
I wonder if Daimler will incorporate Benz-influenced designs in the future.

[brandon-n]

Yeah but you can almost exclusively thank Daimler for the turn-around, and for darn sure the 300c

whatever works :) dodge/chrysler/etc are the ONLY brands that has me impressed with their model lines currently. No other company has as many new non-shitty vehicles. So far, chevy's "revolution" is full of all ugly suck ass cars. nissan has nothing new really, yay for the new civic, but nay on the fucked up rear of the new accord. ford doesnt have much going on, nor does anyone else really.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

Wow, I just heard that GM lost four and a half billion during just the 4th quarter of last year...8.6b for all of 2005.

-JP

[P a t r i c k]

Yeah theyve been doin pretty shitty, cant keep up with the foreign market (or domestic for that part) and dont they have some employee issues going on as well?

[Jason]

Yeah, they are paying their damn employees too much so they've had to shut down a lot of the plants, but they still have to pay their employees when they're not working... damn unions.

[Jonathan_again]

GM is pretty much screwed on employees pay.

There's NO getting around that. They're going to be paying out the wazoo for as long as they're still in business.

And Toyota does build better cars.

[mandymariee]

i agree with patrick. looks like the mustang. ('cept the mustang looks better)

[Trent Steel]

you know, I looked at your name, and forgot who you were on mmc

[flychick]

ow.....